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Poster: light into ashes Date: May 5, 2009 10:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Garcia poll

There was an interesting discussion of Garcia's guitars about a month ago - http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=240622 - but I don't recall this being discussed lately - I'm curious if there's a majority consensus or if people are all over the place:

What was Garcia's best year as a guitar player?

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Poster: Miss Divine Date: May 5, 2009 11:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia poll

Wow...I just read through a similar poll on another forum. Synchronistic or summat?
Well, I love his sound from 68 (it was so spiky and flirting with distortion but never going over the edge)but he was a better player in later years.

In short, I don't really know. :)

This post was modified by Miss Divine on 2009-05-05 18:25:13

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 5, 2009 1:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia poll

Hey MissD--did everything work out with the stuff? Just want to make sure there weren't any troubles, imperfections, etc.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: May 5, 2009 1:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia poll

"Just want to make sure there weren't any troubles, imperfections, etc. "


can i comment on that?????


(k, i wont)

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 5, 2009 2:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia poll

OMG--Dire restraint...those two words don't normally go together...

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: May 5, 2009 3:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia poll

maybe he's getting domesticated?

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Poster: cush212 Date: May 5, 2009 3:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia poll

Old is more like it...

Hey jots!

Not sure how long I'm going to stick around...

This post was modified by cush212 on 2009-05-05 22:55:53

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: May 5, 2009 4:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia poll

hey Cush! Good to see you. Hope all is well. Don't be such a stranger man.

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Poster: Miss Divine Date: May 5, 2009 1:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia poll

Oh, everything is great...I even made a copy of the mp3s for a work friend who wanted to know what it was that made me smile so much when I have my iPod on.

Thanks again!!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: May 5, 2009 12:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia poll

"spiky and flirting "

sounds like WT's wooing of you Miss Divine ;)
- (i wont comment on his "distortion")


(sorry....)

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 5, 2009 12:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia poll

Hey lets keep it clean around here...we're all married, upstanding citizens afterall...spouses prefer we get our jollies existentially rather than experientially. Cuts down on expenses too.

And, I have to say, the little Miss does me proud again.

Of course, if for no other reason than 6-14, 8-24, 10-12 and 12-29, I LOVE the sound Jerry made in 68.

As for best, though, I can be objective enough to acknowledge that the guitar playing friends I have usually pick 72 or 73 as representative of his true peak, in some sort of musician-ship sense of the term.

I never thought this back in the day, but all of the listening I have done over this forty years, and esp with all the other (well, rock sorts anyhow) have caused me to without any reservation whatsoever place Jerry in the top five all time...he really was amazing. His diversity, in terms of output with respect to various genres, might have peaked in the early 70s too.

If you think of all the different things he did, solo, side projects, with the DEAD, etc., it's hard to argue that he was most productive (I know, bit different from the original question), during 70-75...

Right?

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Poster: fenario80 Date: May 5, 2009 1:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia poll

Miles Davis-level genius, imho. One day he will be recognized ...

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Poster: staggerleib Date: May 6, 2009 5:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia poll

Well, taste, as has been said is completely objective. I have my personal favorites. As has been mentioned, the 71 warmth and virtuosity thrill me. There's an excitement to the playing and it seems to me that having come out of psychedelia and into the Workingman's/American Beauty sound was a huge step and an example of the growth of my favorite artist.

However... All that being said, I believe that the finest example of Jerry's playing came in the 75 to 77 timeframe. I believe that at this point, certainly after Blues For Allah (my personal favorite for studio release) Jerry had gotten to the point where anything he wanted to create musically, any idea he wanted to express, he was able to do. As a student of the instrument, he never stopped, but as for pure virtuosity, this was for me the pinnacle.

I may be biased, due to the fact that my first shows were the legendary May '77 run, but in retrospect, as I view the scope of the man's work, this period truly marked the peak of his performance both with the Dead, and with the JGB/Legion of Mary, etc.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: May 5, 2009 12:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia poll

1970

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: May 5, 2009 3:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia poll

'69: distorted, spazzy, spacey, fuzzy, liquid, purple and arriving. :)

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Poster: cush212 Date: May 5, 2009 4:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia poll

That sounds more like what we were taking!

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: May 5, 2009 4:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia poll

There's that, too! 'Tis all one.... :)

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Poster: Finster Baby Date: May 5, 2009 6:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia poll

'73!!! Nuff said!

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Poster: Agent 86 Date: May 5, 2009 8:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia poll

Examining his work as an individual within the GD, I have to say the 68-72 period was his very best. As far as being in sync with, meshing with, the rest of the group, I feel the total package the guys tossed at us from 77-79 was unsurpassed. JGB wise, 76 will always be my fave.

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Poster: Rings&Bells Date: May 5, 2009 11:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia poll

I'm particularly fond of his '75 playing with Legion of Mary, but I'm certainly not going to declare that it--or any other--was his "best" year.

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Poster: snori Date: May 5, 2009 12:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia poll

Early Dead and late JGB.

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Poster: Dust_E Date: May 5, 2009 11:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia poll

Jesus H Christ! You guys are so lame. Best years of playing? That is so stupid it makes my brain hurt.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: May 5, 2009 11:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia poll

get an MRI to make sure it aint an aneurysm. those can be troubling to one's health

This post was modified by direwolf0701 on 2009-05-05 18:29:58

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Poster: Dust_E Date: May 5, 2009 11:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia poll

Haha. yeah. :=)

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 5, 2009 1:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia poll

Hmmm--is it too lame to ask why? Not sure I follow...is it cause it's so obvious that 68 is the answer? Or that there is no answer (now that's lame...if you ask me...but you didn't so I suppose I shouldn't be so snarky...but Dire told me I have to express myself more often)?

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Poster: elkdog Date: May 5, 2009 2:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia poll

Year- 1974. Love the jazzy tone, interweaving with Phil.

Week- the first week of August, 1982. Mercy.

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Poster: boltman Date: May 5, 2009 3:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia poll

71 is really strong. I'm not sure I've seen anyone comment on this so far, but with all the great years of playing a lot of it comes down to the songs Jerry was working with at the time that really makes certain years (71-74) stand out for me.

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Poster: waynecs Date: May 5, 2009 2:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia poll

The period when he was playing that red SG.He made that thing breathe fire.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: May 5, 2009 11:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia poll

gotta go with '74 and '76 for my ears. not taking anything away from any other year though. the ability was usually great - i just love the smooth sounds of those two years

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Poster: august_wst Date: May 5, 2009 12:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia poll

That's easy!

His best year as a guitar player was also Phil's best year as a bass player!

duh!

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Poster: falconcry77 Date: May 5, 2009 11:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia poll

i think you'll find that many people's favorite years for the dead in general tend to coincide with what they think jerry's best years are.

for me:

69, 72, 73, 77.

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Poster: KILLERGREENBUD Date: May 5, 2009 2:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia poll

197(FUCKIN)3 MAN

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Poster: lobster12 Date: May 5, 2009 2:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia poll

I am very fond of 1973

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Poster: cush212 Date: May 5, 2009 3:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia poll

1996...



My bad!

;)

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Poster: cush212 Date: May 5, 2009 3:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia poll

I was here, now I'm gone. Take care all...

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Poster: Dust_E Date: May 5, 2009 3:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia poll

Well... I like it all. As a musician Garcia has influenced me more than anyone else. I can't narrow it down to a particular time. I wish he were still with us. :(

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Poster: cush212 Date: May 5, 2009 3:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia poll

I stuck it out until about the bitter end, SLC 2/95 were my last shows and there were some moments... As the longtimers here know though, I am most partil to 68/69 & 76>78...

Oh btw, I decided to come back for a bit...

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Poster: light into ashes Date: May 5, 2009 8:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia poll

Hmm...guess I might pitch in....
I don't have an answer though.... It's not like Garcia reached a plateau & stayed there, his style kept changing. Technically though, I think he started slipping after '77 - getting sloppier, with a less clean sound, relying more on fast little notes.
But where the peak is, could depend what you're looking for -
If you want energy, '68 is the place - loud & raw & bold. He added many more arrows to his bow after that, but never had the same simple power.
If you like that hairy rock & roll tone, '70/71 has a lot to offer - he often sounds like bottled lightning in those years - something that sort of slipped away after Keith arrived.
If you're into 'transportational' playing where the notes ooze & trickle, '72/73 may be the finest - very sensitive & psychedelic jamming, especially that beautiful wah-wah sound. And also by this time, I think his jazzy sideline with Wales & Saunders had affected his style, and he was able to fill any spectrum of playing from the Bakersfield-country twang to Sun Ra space howls.

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Poster: tank_tuba Date: May 5, 2009 11:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia poll

My personal favorite year of Garcia's playing ability is '74.

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Poster: sambonk2 Date: May 5, 2009 11:34am
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1968

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 5, 2009 12:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Sam & HF

Yeah for 68; but, you know HF, you have a point. I think of 68 so often, and got to 70 more than 69, BUT there is something special about 71. It really draws me in...the OOnes sound so different. And I think it is his tone.

That somehow seems to change for me in 72 and 73.

That is the reason I "stop" and it's odd you're the first one to articulate it...unless you repost that it changes and then is the same in 72...

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Poster: veblen Date: May 5, 2009 1:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Sam & HF

about a year or so ago I thought we determined that the "time" of change was after the August 71 berzerkely greek shows...

if memory serves me correctly phil also made a sound change around this time...

(sorry, no time to forum search for evidence...)

so this week I am living with 71-07-02 and I am feeling a strong pull to return to one of my favorite months and the april 71 college tour...:-)



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Poster: William Tell Date: May 5, 2009 2:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Sam & HF

Oh yeah, that July 71 show is classic...Hitler mighta picked it to commemorate Stalingrad instead of whatever it was he picked to play for three days...hmmm, not sure this fits here...but there you have it.

Don't recall what you speak of...but, you mean that they changed guitars or some such? Interesting...makes sense to me...

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Poster: bluedevil Date: May 5, 2009 2:54pm
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Russian Lullaby? Purportedly his favorite tune.

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Poster: veblen Date: May 5, 2009 2:57pm
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joe's!?!

nah, his favorite tune was an early working of a rainy night in georgia...

"It seems like it's rainin' all over the world"

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Poster: bluedevil Date: May 5, 2009 3:22pm
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love that song! (but was speaking of Adolf "at least I'm not Annie Duke" Hitler - reference for Dire)

timely georgia refernce in light of today's news....

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 5, 2009 3:54pm
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Actually, Adolph played three days of solemn music after the destruction of Paulus and the Sixth Army...whatever your view on the Germanic Role in WWII, no one can deny the sacrifice of the boys of the Sixth Army...

Of 300,000 lost, 91,000 were taken prisoner in early February of 1943. Only 5,000 ever saw their homeland again.

Not defending...just saying. Erich von Mainstein said before hand that disobeying Hitler was the only reasonable course of action.

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Poster: veblen Date: May 5, 2009 4:54pm
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and ole Adolph tried to play that little mental trick with Paulus promoting him to field marshall in order to to give him the "no German Field marshall ever surrendered" speech but Paulus didn't take the bait and became the first German Field Marshall to surrender a day after the promotion...he ended up living until '57...

funny, I gave up my life of soviet studies about the time the wall came down thinking all of the "fun" was over...boy was I wrong...time to do some reading on georgia...

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 5, 2009 11:11pm
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Ha--your name is obviously "why" I must've randomly thrown in the "music post Stalingrad" reference, recalling our prior talks, subconsciously I guess! Funny...

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Poster: high flow Date: May 5, 2009 11:40am
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1971 - It's tone man, the tone.

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Poster: sambonk2 Date: May 5, 2009 12:23pm
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you got a point...very warm

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: May 5, 2009 12:49pm
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that's funny High Flow because I was just thinking that no one would give 71 any love. I was listening to 4-29 last weekend and everytime I put on a 71 I get blown away and wonder why I don't listen more. Not just the tone for me but Jerry really shreds and leads that year vs. a more laid back approach in say 73 and 74 and obviously 76. Ultimately I think he continually grew as anyone should until the H took effect and he got lazy, then sort of had a second rejuvination after the Coma that lasted trough 91 until it was all down hill again. So for me I guess 68-77 and 87-91 would all be great years of inspiration.

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Poster: dirtybuck Date: May 5, 2009 8:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia poll

1982-1984...seriously.
My favorite tone, use of effects, leads, etc..

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Poster: mcgannahan Date: May 5, 2009 9:33pm
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1970. he could play acoustic, electric, and sometimes pedal steel all in one show. i always think of 5/2/70 as his best performance ever. the rest of the band was great too, but he just stands out so much.